Our very own chat program

Posted by steamlolleryesterday at 11:31
Hello guys!
Hello.
Thing is, in the background, I was working hard to implement a chat solution into the NAS, which now in a state where it would be possible to start running (and testing it).

You do know that whatsapp is getting less and less safe, and it's actually owned by facebook, therefore using whatsapp is getting more dangerous. Wouldn't be surprised if facebook started syphoning into the datastreams, if they haven't started it already.
So is practically everything else.
Therefore, I recommend to completely migrate from whatsapp into our own custom chat application. Before you scream that it will going to be something basic, actually, the looks and functions of it made almost completely identical to whatsapp. The only thing would be that the chat server would be our own NAS. Why I recommend this migration?

- Way more safer. Traffic goes through the NAS, the only one who can see the chat is us, and nobody else. I can look into the messages in an admin level, but it doesn't really matter, as I just read the chat anyway. Therefore, there is not known safer solution that this currently.
To be fair now, if I wanted safe, I wouldn't be on the internet.
- You don't need constant phone connection to use it on PC. And, it also has the android and ios package backed by the Synology NAS, so you can chat from phone too if you want easily.
While I can see the point, I don't think the phone issue is that bad for the general majority here.
- You don't need to provide your telephone number! You can use the good old username/password schema.
I concede this point.
- No performance hit on the computer or phone. Whatsapp is nasty that it eats up your resources.
It's never been a problem, but maybe I'm just not as busy as some of ya (by choice).
- No phone needed. People without phone can also join the chat.
General majority has phones these days.
- This program can actually hold every picture and audio/video data of the chat on the server itself, therefore you can choose not to save anything, yet still see them. Or, you can choose to download, and this program can actually save on an SD card too, not just internal memory.
Doesn't really bother me either way.
- Every function is identical. Groups can be created, you can set avatar, send pictures, tag people. Apart from this, this software has lots of extra function, like calendar control (if you wish to use).


Of course, everybody should install this piece of software, after I finished scripting it up, on his PC, and phones. After that, it's basically just we create the group, we leave the old one, and join this new one, and we have our very own chat working in place of whatsapp. Because it's almost completely identical, chances you will not really going to feel any change, apart from a quick setup when you change the program.

Now, this needs a coordinated effort to do if we wish to go through with it. I don't know if commanding still works in YATTA Those constant digs ain't doing ya any favors., but I would need someone who helps to do this if we do decide to go on with this. So ya basically want one of us to say yes or no? Because we either do it, or not do it, giving the chance for everybody to decide not a good idea, because fragmentation.That would happen even if just one of us decided on it. For me, personally, safety on the net is quite important, but I would see it's more important to stay invisible. I also know some people who not happy with providing their phone number for example. Isn't that why we have alternatives if absolutely needed? We have a shoutbox for the forum if we are really desperate....

So in short, I don't know how you guys would decide this, but this one needs decision. And if we decided, we need to completely close down the whatsapp side of things, and migrate everyone who is active, and leave messages for those who not to join if they wish.
COmpletely closing whatsapp is not gonna happen, for the simple reason that is so widely used between people outside of YATTA, either through friends, family, whatever, that it will still be used regardless, so it seems rather redundant to me, as I would still have whatsapp running and it would still consume the same amount as it does now. I'm waiting actual written reply from somebody in command in the next 1 week, until 08.24. evening. If you guys feel like you not up to make plans and decide, I will plan it myself after the deadline.
I'm currently replying well within the deadline. (It's 17th August 2018 22.13 local time.)

The migration though, if we go through with it, will happen at 2018. december.
Merry Christmas!

Posted by The Failure23 hours ago
A wild admin appears....

I save my reply until later before I say anything, so I reserve this space.

Thanks

EDIT: Pfff, what the hell? Looks like I will just not say anything in this post, and instead I will just (almost) literally quote
everything and reply in those quotes with bold text (very fancy) and maybe even a different color to make it easier.
So prepare yerselves for a big wall of fucking text further down!
Hey look! It's that wall I promised.

Posted by DreamOnFin23 hours ago
No worries, Yatta HQ & Commanding side is alive. Pretty sure there will be even a higher-up response to this after me
And here it is.

As of talks about switching chat programs though...we all know what Facebook is doing, and pretty sure everyone knows whadapp is ran by them these days. While i can't say i'm a fan of 'em as i don't even have FB account nor do i give a flying f...about it, or them. I don't care about social media at all, those who know me know where to find me.
In the garage I would say.

However, as far as the rest goes...i'm sorry but i can't see this happening right now. Too much bad blood, misunderstandings and mistrust, fragmentations etc. and requiring of completely shutting down the whadapp side isn't going to help either in this case. Would be a hell of a lot of work to try to get even the "quote" 'asshole' "end quote" members to join this, and the conflicts that would happen after that...i don't get paid enough for that ya know.
Well, I already said something like that up there, but just in case, I agree with this.

I don't mind it as a backup option or as something in the works, but i can't see that as a working option right now, sorry. Maybe eventually it would work, who knows...maybe someone else has a different opinion about this than i do?
Also agree with this.

Posted by steamloller23 hours ago
Those who in whatsapp now will come.
How do ya know this? I haven't been asked about it until this thread. Has someone else confirmed they will move 100%?
YOu again doing a bigger thing out of it what you should.
Actually he is not. He only replied to what ya asked, as I'm doing by the way.
Basically those who chat will join.
Again, how do ya know this?
Who cares about people who never send any message, or even read the chat, or not part of it?
Those people might care about who is running their service. And how would new people factor into this, or people who would rather trust in something else?
Don't make this to seem more complex as it is.
He didn't.
Also, first you say you hate facebook, but then you basically say you would just stay under one of their platforms? REally strange reasoning.
Everyone hates facebook, but as I have already said, whatsapp is just too common (at the moment).

Again, we not bringing EVERY members. Only those who communicate (and these people would basically quit whatsapp and migrate, easy)
And by not bringing everybody, or try to get them to join, it's already pointless.

Posted by FiPeRiaN13 hours ago
I'm not a person who likes using different programs a lot, and also doesn't really use his phone at all either. I only use WhatsApp for chatting, and the occasional Facebook or Discord, altho I don't check those as often, and if I even have them open they're on mute. I can say I won't be using a new application. WhatsApp works very well for me, and all of my real life friends/family/people I know/work use it too around here. I'm not the kind of person to use several apps for chatting, I'll just end up ignoring one. That's how I've always done it.
Good thoughts, I agree!

Posted by DreamOnFinabout an hour ago
Daily view of Dream's office in Yatta:



Lovely office. Ya renting it from Lefty?

Now that i got my sarcasm out of the way, i'll start.
Please don't!!!

As for the personal insults, stick them where the sun doesn't shine...i really don't care if i get a warning from this or not.
Why would ya be the one to get a warning?


Not being a fan of FB somehow makes it a strange reasoning? What other options there are, mobile discord and steam? Not really what people are after i'd say, though i could allways be wrong about that.
We see what happens down the line....

First we had Chatango as the chat program in Yatta. However, as this was being blocked from workplaces and schools, we moved to Chatwing i think? All abit resource intense on mobile, but they worked all fine and dandy untill Whatsapp group was created. Never blocked any advances or progress on these so any arguments of me trying to stop things are null and void.
Aah.....History.

Don't think that you know what i'm thinking. Ask if you don't know, don't asume. I don't enjoy being called an idiot all the time just because i don't somehow right away think and act like you, or in a way that would please you. I am not making this any bigger than you are. You, and even i know that's not how it's going to go if we will only have one and only platform to chat on, even you know this, that's why yer asking for our help on it. I stated the reasons allready on the previous post why i'd see this hard to achieve. How does that translate to that i'm against it or not using my head is beyond me...as of banning Fail, that woudn't result in any kind of good results in my opinion. Sure, he's slow and all, sometimes lax and sometimes harsh, 420 blazes through things like no tomorrow but in the end of the day, it's Fail.
Who gave yer permission to flatter me like that???
I'm just the rebel without a cause
I'm telling ya...Finland Leather Jackets.

There are times when i think you simply enjoy these heated arguements, or you are releasing steam on people who haven't done anything on you or against you.
Nobody does, that's why practically nobody is around. Always insults and arguments.
However, i don't enjoy these so i'm stepping off from handling any cases related to you on official yatta matters for now. Not because i'd hate you or anything, but i'm sick and tired of fighting and arguing about these things like an old couple. God knows how many times i tried during the last 6 months to fix things over with you and the community, but you said no. Multiple times, even quite rudely to me. I've had enough of it now.


I'n the end, i'd rather take a friendship with you than a burning bridge...bridges are easier to restore after all.

As for the rest of the stuff, i have allways said that if someone scratches my back, i will return the favour, everything else i have allready stated to you. That's why i said i won't take a "no" for an answer about the present i promised to ya, and if it's not to yer liking then bloody well say so then when i'm asking. Yer a tough customer on that front when i have to guess what ya would potentially like when i get moans back though so that's why i had to work with that for abit, allthough i don't think it was 2 weeks though? Whatever, it's annoying enough that when i try to thank you that it arrived, you just ignore it completely. Thanks about it nevertheless, ya just have to wait for abit more for yours due to me being poor right now. Would have been alot easier to just go to the ATM again and slam cold hard forints to yer hand though if i'd have known this.

I won't be responding to this thread further so reply or dont, doesn't really make a difference. Allso, i'm still just a mechanic and a fish...not an executive, clan commander or one with admin rights.
Only in this particular case. He is still available to show ya how to fix cars.